Are Condo and Home Prices Where They Should Be?

Last week I wrote a post (A Positive Article About Real Estate) in which, among other things, I argue that real estate prices in Phoenix have adjusted down adequately so that they are not only appealing to buyers but are arguably a fair deal now.

Based on the the premise I used in that post I’d like to now give a real world example that supports the argument. The subject of this “real world” example is my own Crystal Point high rise condo located in midtown Phoenix, Arizona.

In September 2004, I purchased a very dated 2334 square foot, 2 bed, 2 bath, condominium in a high rise condominium tower built in 1990. The price was $375,000. Over the next year and a half I watched prices in Crystal Point and other high rise condo buildings sky rocket to the point that by early 2006 a similar home, albeit with nicer finishes and better views but an identical floor plan, sold for $700,000. At the time, I thought that my condo would be worth the same within 6 months. Little did I know that we were already hitting the proverbial wall.

Since then, I have watched as prices in our condo tower have slowly but steadily dropped. Today, I believe that my home would garner no more than $550,000 at best and probably much closer to $500,000 (assuming I could even find a buyer today). I came up with this opinion prior to coming up with the formula I discuss in the blog post using the more traditional approach of looking at comps, measuring the absorption, and normal real estate agent observation. Please know that now only am I super familiar with Crystal Point (having done more transactions in the building over the last 11 years than any other agent in Phoenix) but my main real estate practice focuses on the Phoenix high rise condo market/niche so I believe that I have a very good understanding of value in today’s market.

OK, now to approach the value in a different way using the argument I made in the previous post. As I stated I bought the property in September 2004 for $375,000. If I ignore the real estate boom and apply the formula I discussed previously then I would add 7% appreciation every year (compounded) to the $375,000 price for a period of 3.75 years to get a price today. So…375,000 + 7% = 401,250 / $401,250 + 7% = 429,337 / $429,337 + 7% = $459,390 / $459,390 + 5.25% (9 months) = $483,508. So, my opinion of value of $500,000 is super close to the $483,508 that I derive from using my formula of removing the boom and building in normal appreciation.

Now, before you all punish me for my method please know that I recognize that it is far from perfect (I was NOT a math major or statician in college :-) . However, I don’t know of anyone who has offered a true analysis of value that makes any more sense than my position. Most people today measure a “good deal” by how much lower they got it than the last person paid OR by how much they negotiated off the list price. Neither of these “methods” hold any water in my book. At least my method “makes sense” (at least a little) and is defendable. Having said that…blast away. I’d love to get other peoples’ opinions.

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6 Comments so far (Add 1 more)

  1. As your real estate business grows, you might want to purchase several properties at once. You soon will need to hire others to help out in the business. A successful real estate investment business is impossible to run singlehandedly.

    1. Abu Dhabi accomodation on November 3rd, 2009 at 3:08 am
  2. Here in Ann Arbor our prices are down to about 2001 levels, but the pricing curve has leveled out for areas close to town. We have even seen a couple homes selling for $17,000 and $24,000 over asking when there are multiple offers.

    2. Jon Boyd on September 14th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
  3. In our market, we are about 25% or more below 2005 prices. Our market peaked in late 2005. This peak was due to the largest sales price for any ski resort in the country at $365 million. The resort, Mammoth Mountain Ski Area, was acquired from Dave McCoy who has privately owned the resort from inception. The buyer, Starwood Capital, is well known for their worldwide real estate investments. The first of many new resort properties in Mammoth Lakes California, Altis, is now available for reservations. There are 4 town homes available to reserve and they construction will be complete this coming winter 2008/2009. Each home is approximately 3300 sqft in three levels with spectacular views through the window walls. Located in the last privately owned ski in/ski out property in Mammoth California. Prices start at $2,995,000. This is a must have for jet setters with the desire to own the most exclusive of properties in one-of-a-kind locations. Eastern Sierras provide great ski conditions in the winter with the most sunny days of any other North American ski resort. And summers are just as beautiful as the winters with camping, hiking, mountain biking, fishing and exploring. With the recent addtion of commercial air service direct from Los Angeles CA (LAX) daily, the possibilities are endless from San Diego, Florida, New York, Canada, Asia, Russia and the European Union.

    Check out http://www.MammothMLSListings.com to see what’s available today!

    3. Stacie Robbins on August 23rd, 2008 at 9:46 pm
  4. I’ve been telling clients something similar for the Sun City Grand real estate that I specialize in, but this doesn’t hold true for my personal residence in Surprise proper. I did comps about three weeks ago and was shocked prices had dropped to the level they had.

    My husband and I bought, in 2004, a 2700 s.f. single story home for $245k with many upgrades and a pool. At the peak we could have sold it for about $450k. Two homes with pools and almost as many upgrades just sold for $259k & $279k.

    I think the formula works for the areas that weren’t hit so hard with the speculators that rolled through town. But for places like Queen Creek, Maricopa and most of Surprise it will take awhile to recover.

    4. Kathy Anderson on June 6th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
  5. Overall, if your figures hold, it means that real estate is still a good investment. After all, I haven’t heard of any banks paying 7 percent on any cds or accounts. This formula would probably work in the Bucks County market, since our marke did not fall like California and Florida. It is a simple formuala and I like it.

    5. Linda Tremblay on May 21st, 2008 at 10:34 am
  6. That’s great if it works in your market – but in some of the markets here in illinois, we are actually seeing prices fall to 2005 levels.

    6. Bo Buchanan on May 20th, 2008 at 11:14 pm

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