Summit at Copper Square Clarification

There have been a couple articles and at least one television report about the recently filed Notice of Trustee Sale on Summit at Copper Square high rise.

The purpose of this post is to clarify some points made and to further explain others.

It is our understanding that the original construction money consisted of two loans; one for $54M and the other for $10M.  The second loan was originally funded by a separate party but was ultimately refinanced by FNBN, the lender on the first note.  FNBN ultimately went under and was “taken over” by the Feds but prior to that happening the developer of Summit at Copper Square sold 91 (not 74 as reported in the Business Journal) of the 165 condos and paid off $40M of the $64M.  When FNBN went under the value of the notes were approximately $28M ($64M – 40M + 4M interest = $28M).  Upon the collapse of FNBN, the FDIC bundled a large number of outstanding notes and auctioned them off.  The Summit at Copper Square note was bundled into a $700M pool of these notes.  Stearns Bank (of Scottsdale) paid about $161M (or ¢23/dollar) for the $700M pool.  To do so, it came in with approximately 20% of its own money and used government backing or funding for the remaining 80%.  If we apply the ¢23/dollar formula to the $28M remaining on the construction loan then we know that Stearns paid approximately $6.4M for the Summit at Copper Square note.  What’s crazy is that it got the $28M note for $6.4 but only had to come up with $1.288M of its own money to do so (remember the government financed 80%).

According to David Wallack, developer of Summit at Copper Square, he is working with Stearns to pay off the note.  Also, according to Wallach, he and Stearns have a good working relationship and that Stearns filed the Notice of Trustee Sale as a matter of procedure.  Notices of Trustee Sales can be postponed so the action on the part of Stearns is not necessarily ominous but it certainly gets everyones’ attention and keeps pressure on Wallach.

Something to keep in mind is that with Stearns buying the $28M note for just $6.4M and only $1.288M out of pocket, the bank is in a VERY safe position.  And with such a low basis Stearns can sell the $28M note for just $6.658M and make a 20% profit (not counting expenses).  I would think that David Wallach has an opportunity to get himself into a better position than he was in.  Afterall, if he can put the money together to buy the note from Stearns he would effectively reduce his debt by over $21M!!!  Just as importantly, by reducing the debt to approximatley 24% of what it was, Wallach has a chance to make some money when all is said and done.  It’s true that Stearns might want to see if it could make even more money on the note but I’d take 20% profit in today’s market all day long; heck I’d take 10%.  So, don’t be surprised if Wallach can structure a buy-out of the note.

At WeKnowUrban we are waiting and watching what’s going on at Summit as well as the other newer high rise buildings.  There are definitely issues to be aware of but all is not as bad as our local media would have you believe.  Remember, sensationalism sells.  I’m not saying that the press is sensationalistic for the sake of getting eyeballs but the “stories” rarely tell the whole story.  I’m also not saying that we “know it all” but the fact that we study high rise and loft living every single day does give us some advantages over the folks that are reporting the demise of a high rise condo one day and covering a chili cook-off the next.  Come to us if you want to know what’s going on in urban living in Phoenix, Scottsdale or Tempe.

13 Comments so far (Add 1 more)

  1. Ron – You raise a good point about risks to tenants if the Landlord lets the property go into foreclosure. Contact us for help renting at Summit or other urban condos, we know how to protect our clients from current risks.

    Brent – I would hold off buying at Summit at Copper Square right not UNLESS you are getting a smokin’ deal. Currently we feel the risks are to high to justify buying unless the discount is steep enough to offset those risks. Contact us directly for help.

    1. Will Daly on November 22nd, 2009 at 7:11 pm
  2. So as a new investor im not sure what to make. Would it be a good idea to buy a place at Summit. I like the location, but i would rather have the straight froward yes or no on the subject. I am from Texas were the highs and lows in real estae fluctuate by about 5% at worst, so i dont know what is good or bad in Phoenix. Im not going to make my desicion based on this but it would be a good start.

    2. Brent on November 22nd, 2009 at 6:48 pm
  3. Wow, you did an excellent job of putting all the facts together. Great analysis, and anyone looking into copper square summit will be very thankful of the great information. :)

    3. Lisa Udy - Logan Utah Real Estate on September 11th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
  4. Extremely useful information.

    These have been unprecedented times we’ve lived through.

    I think we’ve seen the worst. Nowhere to go but up from here.

    4. Kids Chairs on August 18th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
  5. randybos – are you one of those shoot from the him posting haters? Clearly you have not read the WeKnowUrban blog for long. We never blindly “cheerled” [cheerlead] urban developments. In fact I was one of the very few real estate agents who began warning everyone in late 2005 of the coming urban glut and bust. Now, it is true that I had no idea just how bad things would get but I told clients in November and December 2005 to get out while they could; before the tidal wave of investor inventory devastated the market.

    I don’t mind criticism but at least read my posts before you try to blast me please.

    5. Will Daly on July 30th, 2009 at 11:22 am
  6. Excellent analysis. Very clarifying indeed. Gives some things to reconsider.

    6. Sam is all Allure on July 27th, 2009 at 6:26 am
  7. Thanks for this valuable information. I like your post

    7. astuce on July 26th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
  8. well, the fact that you cheerled all the urban developmenst right into the crash which you clearly never saw coming might have some bearing here.

    Clearly you guys were clueless right into the storm, so why should anyone trust you now?

    8. randybos on July 24th, 2009 at 11:09 am
  9. Thanks for this valuable information. I like your post

    9. Citations on July 23rd, 2009 at 10:36 am
  10. Thank for the clarification on the notice of Trustee Sale on Summit at Copper Square. I also really love your comment that sensationalism sells. I do hope you would consider clarifying some of the market reports in Salt Lake City and Utah counties.

    10. New Utah Homes on July 21st, 2009 at 9:32 am
  11. It sounds like we the taxpayers just bought a whole lot of nothing. Maybe they could at least require that the Summit maintain a public swimming pool. But seriously, valuation of these bundled notes deserves more oversight.

    11. San Diego Homes on July 20th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
  12. well thanks for sharing such a great piece of information… i haven’t heard of the copper square summit but now i have all the information that everyone else does thanks for such a nice post

    12. rick on July 17th, 2009 at 3:56 am
  13. Thanks for the post. Was actually thinking about renting at the Summit.

    I want to keep track of financially stable units in PX. A co-worker was evicted and belongings put out of a rental, because to LL didn’t pay the note.

    13. Ron on July 16th, 2009 at 10:45 am

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