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		<title>New Urban Residences Proposed for Downtown Scottsdale</title>
		<link>http://www.weknowurban.com/blog/2011/11/new-urban-residences-proposed-for-downtown-scottsdale/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Will Daly</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Arizona Republic recently reported that a Dallas based developer is proposing building 369 apartments in downtown Scottsdale, located immediately northwest of Optima Camelview Village, to be called Portales Apartments. The plan had been to build 126 high rise condos, to be named Portales Place, on the site but that failed with the real estate bust. Although I would [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Arizona Republic recently reported that a Dallas based developer is proposing building 369 apartments in downtown Scottsdale, located immediately northwest of <a title="Optima Camelview Village in Downtown Scottsdale" href="http://www.weknowurban.com/Scottsdale/Optima-Camelview/">Optima Camelview Village</a>, to be called Portales Apartments.</p>
<p>The plan had been to build 126 high rise condos, to be named Portales Place, on the site but that failed with the real estate bust.</p>
<p>Although I would have loved to have seen more condominiums in the area the market just won&#8217;t support them at this time.  Given that, I&#8217;m all for increased density even if apartments.  Couple Portales Apartments with approximately 700 apartments planned forBlue Sky Project, the vacant lot immediately west of <a title="Safari Drive Lofts in Downtown Scottsdale" href="http://www.weknowurban.com/Scottsdale/Safari-Drive/">Safari Drive</a>, and we&#8217;re looking at approximately 1300 new residents to the area.  I love it!</p>
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		<title>Phoenix, Scottsdale and Tempe Urban Market Update Q1 &#8211; 2011</title>
		<link>http://www.weknowurban.com/blog/2011/04/phoenix-scottsdale-and-tempe-urban-market-update-first-quarter-2011/</link>
		<comments>http://www.weknowurban.com/blog/2011/04/phoenix-scottsdale-and-tempe-urban-market-update-first-quarter-2011/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Market Update]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[The condo market has definitely picked up some steam coming into 2011.  While foreclosures and short sales continue to make up over 2/3 of the sales, “re-newed” condo sales are steady to strong in some buildings. Over the last year and a half, numerous fractured condo projects changed hands, relieving most debt and introduced new [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The condo market has definitely picked up some steam coming into 2011.  While foreclosures and short sales continue to make up over 2/3 of the sales, “re-newed” condo sales are steady to strong in some buildings. Over the last year and a half, numerous fractured condo projects changed hands, relieving most debt and introduced new ownership structures, which has sparked a market for affordable re-newed condos.</p>
<p>Buildings such as <a title="One Lexington Condos" href="http://www.weknowurban.com/Phoenix/One-Lexington-Formerly-Century-Plaza/">One Lexington</a> (formerly Century Plaza) just celebrated their 1-year anniversary since they started selling again and are currently 75% sold out.  ST Residential, new owners of 44 Monroe were initially going to restart sales in late 2010, but switched to luxury rentals in January, and has been filling up quickly ever since.  ST’s other recently acquired properties include 3rd Avenue Palms in midtown Phoenix and Safari Drive in downtown Scottsdale, both of which are selling at a good steady pace.  <a title="Scottsdale Condos at Optima Camelview" href="../../Scottsdale/Optima-Camelview/" target="_blank">Optima Camelview</a> is merely months from completion of it’s final phase (Phase 3) which will bring the total development to 700+ units.  Another iconic Scottsdale project, The Mark is selling very well with only 30% units remaining.</p>
<p>A lot of urban fans are excited to see West 6th (formerly Centerpoint) in downtown Tempe finish construction and potentially change the face of Mill Avenue…for better or worse?  Originally planned as luxury condos, selling at the peak for $700+/SF, West 6th has finally found a new owner who has decided to lease the building for now.</p>
<p>Not all fractured condo buildings have been blessed with new ownership.  Summit at Copper Square is “controlled” by Stearns Bank, the buyer of the original construction loan and owner of approximately 70 of the original 165 units.  I put the word controlled in parenthesis because in my opinion Stearns is kind of stuck.  It’s stuck because we believe most prospective buyers of the 70 unit package would want to rent those units out while waiting for the condos sales market to improve.  Unfortunately, we believe that renting of the units may be prohibited by the <a title="Trouble at Summit at Copper Square?" href="../2010/12/trouble-at-summit-at-copper-square/" target="_blank">CC&amp;R’s and the law</a>.  Oh, and to make matters worse lenders will not make loans in the building.</p>
<p>Several other buildings around town are facing similar problems, which is hardly a great thing, but opens up one-of-a-kind opportunities for cash buyers to scoop up great condos at historically low prices.  First time homebuyers, investors and second home seekers have a solid array of choices, matched with interest rates that are still very low.  More and more people are buying which leads us to wonder, have we hit the bottom?</p>
<p>Coming sooner that later developments:</p>
<p>While a chunk of the once planned luxury fleet of high-rises in the urban valley have vanished, a few are hovering on the horizon and surprisingly a few new developments are picking up steam and filling up city council schedules.  Safari Drive was originally planned to encompass nearly the entire Northeast corner of Scottsdale and Camelback roads, minus the Triyar development along Scottsdale with Chipotle and Sprinkles.  Now, that vacant lot has a “next generation” vision according to Gray Development, the potential developers, with plans for a 750 unit, 3 building complex over 4.3 acres. The project is currently battling opposition from the local community and is in and out of council hearings with an undetermined completion date.  Ownership is another hurdle for the developer, as ST Residential (Owner of Safari Drive) and Triyar Properties (owner of that retail along Scottsdale Rd) jointly own that parcel and the project is contingent on the sale of the land, among other obstacles.</p>
<p>It is great to see a little life in the development industry, as it was hibernating for nearly 2 years.  Unfortunately, many grand visions during the latter half of the boom will never come to fruition, but in time, cranes will return to the urban cores.</p>
<p>Other notable development updates:</p>
<ul>
<li>The W Residences, comprised of 18 new penthouses on the top two levels of the hotel have re-opened sales, with starting prices of $800+/SF, yes I said 800.</li>
<li>The unique 5-story, 21 unit Chateaux on Central found a new owner and relaunched sales at the beginning of the year.  With units ranging from 5000-8000+ SF and prices STARTING at $1.3M, they are still waiting for their sale as of May 1st.</li>
<li>Portland 38, Evergreen 9 and Roosevelt 11, (Jag Development) all have builder units still available although Portland 38 had very strong sales in 2010 and is almost sold out.</li>
<li>Sage Scottsdale, a 50 unit townhome/condo community on the canal off Chaparral is steadily selling after a opening earlier this year.</li>
<li>Corriente, on the outskirts of downtown Scottsdale, just off Indian Bend is actually building their last phase, with construction on the first building set to open later this year.</li>
<li>Cityscape in downtown Phoenix opened its office and retail sections, with an eclectic array of shops, restaurants, grocery and drug store, bowling alley and full service gym.</li>
<li>Scottsdale Quarter, a mixed-use complex just east of Kierland Commons opened last year and is continuing to expand with a great variety of shops and restaurants and appears to be quite popular.  iPIC is definitely worth checking out.</li>
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		<title>Ten Wine Lofts is Rockin&#8217;&#8230; Literally</title>
		<link>http://www.weknowurban.com/blog/2011/03/ten-wine-lofts-is-rockin-literally/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 06:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Will Daly</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ten Wine Lofts in Scottsdale is another boom/bust building that has emerged from bankruptcy and is much better for it.  The new owners are really putting a lot of time, money and energy into completely redoing the place. The pool is literally being jack hammered up and will be completely redone by the end of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ten Wine Lofts in Scottsdale is another boom/bust building that has emerged from bankruptcy and is much better for it.  The new owners are really putting a lot of time, money and energy into completely redoing the place.</p>
<p>The pool is literally being jack hammered up and will be completely redone by the end of May.  It&#8217;s getting all new &#8220;green&#8221; landscaping and has all new fitness equipment.</p>
<p>Condos are being built-out with wonderful finishes like gorgeous four-inch wood floors, upgraded granite, stainless appliances, upgraded cabinets and WINE CHILLERS.</p>
<p>We think that the floor plans in general are very open, very large, and flow nicely.  Each two bedroom condo comes with two underground parking spaces and storage.</p>
<p>Ten Wine Lofts is walking distance to a lot of great restaurants and bars and is being very well received by Scottsdale renter.</p>
<p>To learn more, call 480 510-8755 ext. 2 and we&#8217;ll schedule a tour.  It&#8217;s definitely worth checking out.</p>
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		<title>Ten Wine Lofts Turning Rental</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Will Daly</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This won&#8217;t be a big surprise to anyone but it&#8217;s still relevant to this site/blog. Ten Wine Lofts, the urban condo community at roughly Osborn and Scottsdale Road has been converted to apartment rentals and is expected to be on the market in early 2011.  An investor purchased the community after the original developer and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This won&#8217;t be a big surprise to anyone but it&#8217;s still relevant to this site/blog.</p>
<p><a title="Ten Wine Lofts in Scottsdale" href="http://www.weknowurban.com/Scottsdale/Ten-Wine-Lofts/">Ten Wine Lofts</a>, the urban condo community at roughly Osborn and Scottsdale Road has been converted to apartment rentals and is expected to be on the market in early 2011.  An investor purchased the community after the original developer and original construction lender went under and has elected to go rental vs. selling the condos.  We don&#8217;t have prices yet but hope to have those and other details soon.  If you&#8217;re interested in learning more or if you&#8217;d like to reserve one of the condo rentals then contact us now at 480 510-8755 ext 2 and leave a message.</p>
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		<title>More Data Reflecting Sales in Phoenix and Scottsdale</title>
		<link>http://www.weknowurban.com/blog/2009/12/more-data-reflecting-sales-in-phoenix-and-scottsdale/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Will Daly</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joseph Lee commented on a post I wrote two weeks ago, Why is Real Estate Inventory Down&#8230;Sales!, that I thought was worth sharing further.  He wrote: &#8220;Not all cities are created equal: 2008 (12/17) 2009 (12/17) All counties 56,434 88,478 Phoenix 12,285 24,346 Scottsdale 4,309 5,459 Paradise Valley 174 255 This is just MLS and does [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph Lee commented on a post I wrote two weeks ago, <a title="Real Estate Sales Do Exist in Phoenix" href="http://www.weknowurban.com/blog/market-update/why-is-real-estate-inventory-down-sales/">Why is Real Estate Inventory Down&#8230;Sales!</a>, that I thought was worth sharing further.  He wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Not all cities are created equal:</p>
<p>2008 (12/17) 2009 (12/17)<br />
All counties 56,434 88,478<br />
<a title="Phoenix condos" href="http://www.weknowurban.com/phoenix">Phoenix </a>12,285 24,346<br />
<a title="Real Estate Sales in Scottsdale Arizona" href="http://www.weknowurban.com/scottsdale">Scottsdale</a> 4,309 5,459<br />
Paradise Valley 174 255</p>
<p>This is just MLS and does not include Trustee sales,<br />
Auctions or FISBOS.</p>
<p>Phoenix MLS had 25,773 in 2004 and 26,615 in 2005.&#8221;</p>
<p>As I understand them, his numbers essentially show sales (actual closed real estate transactions) for the two periods of 1/1/08 to 12/17/08 amd 1/1/09 to 12/17/09 for the various areas.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know Joseph but I love that he took the time to share some statistics.  Now, we all know that stats can be manipulated however the gatherer wants.  And I&#8217;m sure some of our readers questioned the stats that I shared in the blog post.  And of course some of you will question Joseph&#8217;s numbers as well.  Nonetheless, I&#8217;m happy to see that at least one other person has numbers that are reasonably close to mine. You&#8217;ll note that his 2009 sales in Phoenix are really close to the sales numbers in 204 and 2005 just as my data suggested.</p>
<p>Whether my numbers are 100% spot on or not, I&#8217;m telling you that sales are happening here in Phoenix (yes, many many of them are foreclosures) and we believe that more are to come in 2010.  Now if only FHA, Fannie and Freddie would loosen up underwriting guidelines a bit we might see a real recovery.</p>
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		<title>Optima Plans 500 New Condos in Downtown Scottsdale</title>
		<link>http://www.weknowurban.com/blog/2009/12/1714/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Will Daly</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We reported previously that Optima Development had acquired the Orchid Tree apartment building at the south east corner of 68th Street and Camelback with the intention of razing it and building a mixed use condo development, presumably similar to Optima Biltmore Towers and/or Optima Camelview Village. AzCentral.com just re-reported essentially the same thing with a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><span style="font-size: small;">We reported previously that <a title="Optima Development" href="http://www.weknowurban.com/blog/scottsdale/additional-info-on-the-optima-purchase-of-orchid-tree/">Optima Development</a> had acquired the Orchid Tree apartment building at the south east corner of 68th Street and Camelback with the intention of razing it and building a mixed use condo development, presumably similar to <a title="The Condos at Biltmore Towers by Optima" href="http://www.weknowurban.com/Phoenix/Optima-Biltmore-Towers/">Optima Biltmore Towers</a> and/or <a title="Condominiums at Camelview Village in downtown Scottsdale" href="http://www.weknowurban.com/Scottsdale/Optima-Camelview/">Optima Camelview Village</a>.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: small;">AzCentral.com just re-reported essentially the same thing with a few newer details. Namely that the site is 9.8 acres vs the 8.4 we previously reported, that Optima is planning on building five hundred condos on the site and that some neighbors in the surrounding area are fighting the proposal (no surprise there as there always seems to be some opposition to any new project).</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: small;">On the one hand I welcome the idea of even more density in &#8220;downtown&#8221; Scottsdale. After all we are big fans of urban and walkable development and with more density comes more restaurants, bars, shops, theaters etc&#8230; Both Biltmore Towers and Camelview Village have been reasonably popular, selling even during these tougher economic times so I don&#8217;t doubt that there is a market for these proposed condos.</span></div>
<p><span style="font-size: small;">I will be very anxious to see how another 750 +/- residents and cars will affect traffic in the area. Traffic in and around Scottsdale Fashion Square is already busy so what happens if these condos get built? We will see&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Scottsdale Live/Work Space Going to Auction</title>
		<link>http://www.weknowurban.com/blog/2009/11/scottsdale-livework-space-going-to-auction/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Will Daly</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#8217;re not posting all the details on the web but if you are looking for a live/work town home in Scottsdale then call us right away.  There are a handful of 3 story, 3 bedroom, 4 bathroom, 3,000+ square foot town homes zoned for both light commercial and residential use located minutes from downtown Scottsdale about to go [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re not posting all the details on the web but if you are looking for a live/work town home in Scottsdale then call us right away. </p>
<p>There are a handful of 3 story, 3 bedroom, 4 bathroom, 3,000+ square foot town homes zoned for both light commercial and residential use located minutes from downtown Scottsdale about to go to auction.  The official &#8220;public&#8221; announcement won&#8217;t go out until Wednesday so if you want the jump on everyone else then contact us now.</p>
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		<title>Additional Info on the Optima Purchase of Orchid Tree</title>
		<link>http://www.weknowurban.com/blog/2009/07/additional-info-on-the-optima-purchase-of-orchid-tree/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Will Daly</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[My previous post on the topic stated the purchase price as being $15M.  The actual amount was closer to $16M.  Optima reportedly purchased the 278 unit apartment complex with the intent to tear it down and build upscale luxury condominiums on the 8.54 acre site.  I am very curious to know what the proposed time [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My previous post on the topic stated the purchase price as being $15M.  The actual amount was closer to $16M.  Optima reportedly purchased the 278 unit apartment complex with the intent to tear it down and build upscale luxury condominiums on the 8.54 acre site.  I am very curious to know what the proposed time frame is.  It is my guess that we are years (maybe even five years) away from enjoying a real estate market strong enough to support new construction of mid-rise luxury condominiums.  We will see&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>Optima Buys Property in Scottsdale</title>
		<link>http://www.weknowurban.com/blog/2009/07/optima-buys-property-in-scottsdale/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Will Daly</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We just learned that Optima Development bought Orchid Tree Apartments at the south east corner of Camelback Road and 68th Street.  Optima paid approximately $15M for the property.  We haven&#8217;t heard yet what is planned.  Optima has built two residential condo communities in town, Biltmore Towers and Camelview Village but has built commercial office buildings in Chicago and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just learned that Optima Development bought Orchid Tree Apartments at the south east corner of Camelback Road and 68th Street.  Optima paid approximately $15M for the property.  We haven&#8217;t heard yet what is planned.  Optima has built two residential condo communities in town, Biltmore Towers and Camelview Village but has built commercial office buildings in Chicago and other cities.  Stay tuned&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Phoenix High Rise Prices vs. San Diego</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 06:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Will Daly</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[High Rise Condos]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Talk to Phoenix high rise developers trying to hawk their goods and they&#8217;ll tell you their prices make all the sense in the world.  If so, how come no one&#8217;s buying?  Sure the market is slow and its harder to get loans today but some people are buying but not at the brand new condominiums [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk to Phoenix high rise developers trying to hawk their goods and they&#8217;ll tell you their prices make all the sense in the world.  If so, how come no one&#8217;s buying?  Sure the market is slow and its harder to get loans today but some people are buying but not at the brand new condominiums in midtown and downtown Phoenix.  Sounds like a price issue doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Because high rise living is so relatively new to Phoenix one way to get a perspective on values is to look at what&#8217;s going on in other markets.</p>
<p>The San Diego high rise boom began several years before our boom in Phoenix AND the number of condos built there dwarfs what&#8217;s happening here.  Because of this San Diego MAY be a great indicator of where our market is heading.</p>
<p>The Legend is an A-Class building in downtown San Diego overlooking the Padres Ball Park.  Prices are advertised at about $550 per foot plus discounted interest rates and 3 years of HOA fees.  How much you want to bet that the $550 per foot is soft at that?</p>
<p>Now, I love Phoenix, but I don&#8217;t think that the average buyer would consider downtown or midtown Phoenix to be &#8220;comparable&#8221; to San Diego.  So, is it reasonable that someone pay as much to live in Phoenix as San Diego?  Probably not.  <a title="Phoenix Century Plaza Condos" href="http://www.weknowurban.com/phoenix/century-plaza/">Century Plaza</a> recently advertised prices in the $480 to 500 per foot range.  And even though Century Plaza is a really good looking building it is not comparable to The Legend and even though Century Plaza is on the Phoenix Light Rail that is not comparable to The Legend location.  Gang, IF The Legend sells at $550 per foot (again IF) then there is no way that Century Plaza is worth anywhere close to that number.</p>
<p>But now here&#8217;s where things get really subjective.  Compared to downtown San Diego what are high rise condos in midtown or downtown Phoenix worth?  Ten percent less?  Twenty percent less?  Fifty percent less?  What do you think?  Should prices for a high rise condo in downtown Scottsdale be about the same as downtown San Diego?  MAYBE.  But wouldn&#8217;t most of you take a condo in downtown San Diego over a comparable condo in Scottsdale.  I would.  I believe that San Diego prices should be about double what a comparable place in midtown or downtown Phoenix and maybe as much as 50% more than the same unit in downtown Scottsdale.  Thoughts?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine that anyone will think that Century Plaza prices make sense in this light.  Fortunately prices at Century Plaza are about to come down; way down.</p>
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